Pandora’s Box — 2 years later
by illuminatingthebox
It has now been just over two years since I purchased my subscription to Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system, so I thought it would be a great opportunity to look back and write a post-script of how my experience using the system has changed my dating life between then and now. After extended, long-term use, does it still live up the advertising hype? Or is it just a flash in the pan where things go well for a few months while you’re in the program, but lacks the staying power to sustain for a greater length of time?
Before I answer that, I will explain how the material itself evolved once the eight-month program came to an end. After being bestowed with the cheesy Doctor of Female Psychology certificate, I thought the final curtain had fallen. I logged on a couple more times over the next few weeks, and didn’t observe any changes, so I assumed there was no more left to see. I eventually stopped checking and stopped writing this blog.
After several months went by, I went back to the website just for grins. I fully expected to get an error saying that my account was deactivated or something, but to my surprise, I not only was able to log in, but I was greeted with a completely redesigned site. Members Area 2.0 was easier to read, and slightly easier to use. But more than just the look, I noticed there was a whole lot of new material. There were audio recordings of interviews with various personalities in the seduction community on how guys could elevate their “game” further, post-Pandora’s Box, by making some tweaks. It was kind of like a booster shot for Pandora’s Box subscribers, but the advice they were giving was basic and general, not structured around Vin DiCarlo’s 8 types. In fact, Pandora’s Box was barely mentioned by name. Each week, another part of the interview was added, and other interview series were added too, expanding into direct advice from women which was both candid and educational. In total, 40 more weeks of material were added to the original 33, and my account continues to remain active to this day without any additional payment required. Pretty nice.
But beyond that, let me talk about how using Pandora’s Box has personally helped my dating life these last two years. A warning that this is going to sound like the typical testimonial that I gagged and scoffed at before I subscribed, and will undoubtedly bring haters that will point to this as evidence that I am somehow Vin DiCarlo in disguise or accuse me of working for DiCarlo Coaching because there’s no way somebody could honestly be helped by this “scam” product. Whatever. I can’t control what people think, and I don’t care if they believe me or not. I just report the facts.
Before I got the Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box system, I was a 38-year old virgin who had never been in a relationship. That’s right — never. Oh, I had plenty of female friends, but that’s just it. They were only friends. There was no romantic energy. I was a nice guy, a good guy that they knew and trusted and could depend on, but not a guy they would ever consider dating. And I had no idea why. I didn’t know what the hell I had to do to make them attracted to me as more than just the nice guy they could be friends with. So, reluctantly, I admitted to myself that I needed help and reached out to a pick-up artist product to give me guidance on how to relate to women in such a way that they would actually consider me as a potential boyfriend, not just a friend.
I digested the Pandora’s Box material and put it into action, determining the type of each woman I met, and applying the techniques that were prescribed for that type. Admittedly, I didn’t find a whole lot of success right away. Reading some of the comments that have come in on this blog since my last post, I’ve been seeing some frustration from those who subscribed to the Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box system about the lack of instant results. I was there too at the beginning. Pandora’s Box sort of sets up that kind of false expectation. Not only that, but the way things are taught in Pandora’s Box makes it sounds like it is encouraging quick escalation. That’s a big problem, and my worst mistakes at the beginning were the result of me moving too fast because that’s what I thought I was meant to do, and I was so wrong.
Once I started to exercise more patience, however, I got more consistent results. I battled through the failures and continued to work on applying the techniques to all the women I met — even women I wasn’t attracted to — just to practice. Slowly but surely I found more and more success. Women were approaching me, flirting with me, texting me, messaging me on Facebook, and trying to find excuses to spend more time around me, even to the point of blocking out other women. The amount of attention I was getting actually started becoming a little annoying to me. Pandora’s Box was indeed working. It was just a matter of making it work on a woman I really did want to date.
I finally found such a woman. She was a classic Connoisseur, and the NDR techniques that Vin DiCarlo and Brian Burke taught were dead-on as far as getting her attracted and keeping her attracted. A first date lead to a second, and then a third, and then many, many more to the point where we’ve been dating happily for eight months now. She loves me, takes care of me, and encourages me to be a better person. She is supportive and tolerant of even my stupid habits. As was the intent of Pandora’s Box, this woman is totally devoted to me, and it feels absolutely fantastic. How much of it was me and how much of it was just kismet, I can’t entirely say. But I do believe the Pandora’s Box material played an instrumental role in getting me to this point. I’m happier than I’ve been in years, knowing that there’s a woman in my life that can be my emotional support.
But here’s the thing that will shock all of you readers: if your goal is to find one girl that you can have a long-term relationship with, I actually don’t think Pandora’s Box is the right product for you. You heard me correctly. Pandora’s Box is better suited for the guy that wants to have several casual sexual relationships going on at once. It discusses a wide variety of women, how to relate to each one that you want to attract, and how to turn them on to you alone. It encourages you to explore female variety. If you have decided to commit to a long-term relationship, knowing about that variety really doesn’t do you much good unless you’re out hunting for a fling. So, if you want a harem, Pandora’s Box is good education. If you’re looking to find Ms. Right, Pandora’s Box can help a little, but you won’t be using most of its features.
For those looking for a long-term partner, I would instead recommend something like MeetYourSweet which gives you a yearlong series on the basics of attraction for less than half the cost of Pandora’s Box. You may still want to come back to Pandora’s Box afterwards, but Pandora’s Box isn’t necessarily the best product to start with. In one of my blog posts, I said that Pandora’s Box was good for novices, but I’m going to backtrack on that a bit. Diving into Pandora’s Box at the beginning is like taking a 102 class without the fundamentals of a 101 class. You can sort of pick it up as you go, but it won’t be as smooth as if you had gone in with a foundational knowledge.
I can’t knock it completely, though, because it did help me get a girlfriend which may develop into something more if things continue to go well. Of course, you need to use your own judgement considering where you are emotionally and financially, and what kind of a love life you are looking to live. Pandora’s Box is one tool you can use — a very good tool that has proven to be successful. As I have said repeatedly, results will not happen immediately, and won’t happen at all if you don’t try to implement the system, but with patience and determination, the end result could end up being exactly what you want. You just have to be willing to work at it.
Illuminating the Box 
Hi. I read through your review and found it to be informative and well written. I thought you might me an anctual user and not a promoter until I got to the “two years later” page. Having been in the community for a few years I have learned a thing or two. But what you have some with this articles is intriguing. By describing the eight different types of wen you have also implied there are eight types of men. I believe this particular ad is for those guys that are “look before you leap” type of guys. When I joined the community I did not join it to be a man whore but to just to get a girlfriend when I wanted one. Very god marketing. I do believe in this and gained a few more nuggets of wisdom. I may or may not join this program, but from what little you exposed I can see it’s the real deal. Even I its nothing more than clever marketing to my type of guy. I am attracted to the type of woman I am. Romantic denier realist. I could see that this program could open possibilities to women I may not be interested in for LTRs but ten again I’m not a man slut.
This program doesn’t talk about eight different types of men, but I can see some resemblance to the women they talk about. The good thing is that Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box works for both — those who want to be man whores that sleep with a different woman every weekend, and those that are trying to find the one right type of woman that they can have a lasting relationship with. It gives you an opportunity to expand your horizons, if you so choose, or just focus on the woman you like. Good luck on your search for what works for you.
Also she’s 19 not close to her 20s yet
Dude I’m happy for you but can u just like email us these videos and things I haven’t purchased Pandora’s box because the fact I heard it does charge you every month and I ain’t got that kind of money. Sure I can spend a bucket load of money on a date but not for something that isn’t legit. So reply to me on that please cause now I’m in college and there’re variants of females I want to fuck. And one possible GF lookin girl. Also what is your take on Tao of Badass. P.S. Is there really a Pandora’s box book on how to fuck a girl.
Yes, there’s a PB book about giving a girl an orgasm. There’s also the DiCarlo Escalation Ladder about how to go from “Hello” to “Oh, my f**n god, YES!!” That I think can be found for free through a web search. As for Tao of Badasss, I’ve heard the title, but I’ve never read it.
And no, I’m not going to just give away for free something that cost me almost $900. If you want it, save up and get it, or share the cost with some buddies. And if you don’t think it’s legit, then don’t get it. It isn’t for me, it’s for you. This blog is nothing more than a review about what the Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system is like. I’m not selling anything here. Whether you buy the product or not makes no difference to me. If you don’t feel it’s worth the investment, go out and look for cheaper options. They may not be as good, but they’ll probably give you at least a little bit of a start.
Good luck!
Wait so did you just say I could find this online for free? Also I’ve kinda read some PDFs and I remember the tips they did help marginally when I’m with women but this there’s this girl in a couple of my college classes she seems to be the independent type girl I forgot the name of that but she’s also friendly around dudes but there’s one who has started sitting next to her and she already shows him pictures on her phone. I try to get in between them, the guy doesn’t know it but I’m tryna get at this girl. I talk to her and tease her a bit. But what do you recommend I do? You sound a lot more legit and reliable and I’m kinda trusting you. I know the Pandora’s box is just for gettin laid but I’m tryna give this girl the D a couple times then I’ll be satisfied and I’ll be set. My dream is to pull a pornstar outta the business with these techniques.
The DiCarlo Escalation Ladder PDF can be found for free. Pandora’s Box costs money.
For the girl you’re after, you have to know her type in order to know what works, and for that you have to ask yourself several questions:
– Does she prefer to surround herself with male friends or female friends?
– Is she playful and flirtatious with the guys in her life, or is she more serious and won’t flirt unless she has a definite interest?
– Does she give priority to her girlfriends over guys?
– Does she talk about sex very openly with people she just met, or is she shy or sometimes embarrassed about sex talk?
– Does she have a religious background or slight interest, or is she non-religious even to the point of rebelling against it?
– Does she tend to be carefree with risks to her health and safety, or is she more careful? (i.e. carefree with risks: tattoos, drugs, cigarettes, physical sports)
– Does she choose her career or study because she’s passionate about it, or because it’s practical?
– Does she feel that men and women can be equals or does she feel they have different roles?
– Do other people support her and take care of her, or does she mostly support and take care of others?
These are the questions contained in the free quiz that comes with Pandora’s Box to help identify any girl’s type. When you find her type, the Pandora’s Box material will help you calibrate your game to get her to notice you more than the other losers around her. But that advice comes with a price, although it is worth it.
Thanks Bruh for answering me about the PDF stuff I know the things about the types I just forgot the names. Pretty much she’s an independent woman who pals around with dudes at school and girls in her social life. I almost got her number if it wasn’t the fact I had a shit load of work to do. But what’s really weird is that she seems like somewhat of an emo chick and I’m not usually attracted to those women but she has this sassy optimistic attitude I’m attracted to. Oh but get this I tried some techniques from the Pandora’s box PDFs and I attracted the hottest girl in the class we talked, I bought her some Burger King we go to her house then CRAZY HARDCORE FUCKING. She almost made me cum inside her and I wasn’t trying to pull her I was just acting like a nice dude with an alpha male personality, I don’t know how I did it without purchasing the system it’s like it came naturally.
Well great! It sounds like the Pandora’s Box stuff is working for you then. The strength in Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system is that it has techniques that will work on any type of woman. The trick is identifying the type, and that only comes with practice. Some trial and error is bound to happen, so experimenting on women that maybe you aren’t as strongly attracted to will help you build up experience that you can use with the women you really want. Plus, you’ll get some nice slippery action in the process. In school, you have an inexhaustible supply, so continue to go out and hone your skills so that when it matters most, you’ll be ready.
Thanks Bruh I should refresh on those free PDFs. But it’s cool that you replied back. You’re feed back is really helpful. But get this I was close to getting the emo girls # again then her dad shows up in a cop uniform and in my mind it’s like “oh fuck”. The next day I talked to her about what her dad is like and she said he’s super strict. My problem with this is that I’m sorta hefty I’ve been trying to loose weight but I don’t exactly have my own gym membership I go with a friend and he’s hasn’t payed in a month… More bullshit but now I got my own and I’m starting back up. But your advice is friendly so I’m asking how should I deal with the cops daughter situation.
I don’t think you do anything differently really. You’re trying to attract her, not her dad. If she starts getting into you, the rest will take care of itself. But having a cop for a dad tells you something about her, that she probably values a man that can make her feel safe and secure. So, that’s what your mission is, to show her that she can trust you by being decisive and staying true to your word.
Yeah dude that’s true but I don’t know what to say to her. I know I just said in another comment that I got close to asking her number but since it all the mishap, I’ve kinda run out of things to say I want to get her full attention without it seeming weird now. My shyness is kicking back in I need to get my confidence back have any advice for that because I know what happens when I lose my confidence I lose my chance with her.
You can be your own worst enemy by putting so much pressure on yourself to make things happen. Have you figured out what her type is? If she’s a tester — and she probably is if she’s typical of most girls in their 20s — pressure is the worst thing you can do. You have to get into her world and get her involved in yours. Low pressure, be patient but persistent. Don’t be so eager to please; make her feel like she has to live up to your standards. And make sure you’re going about it in a way that she knows you’re interested in her as more than just a friend, without actually saying it. Use touch and teasing; don’t be intimidated by her. The Pandora’s Box stuff is full of tips, so get very familiar with that material and don’t be afraid to fail.
It’s not that she has to live up to my standards I just have to be the man she deserves. Also that’s not as much of a problem anymore, the dude I was having this secret competition with to get the girl, he already has a GF so that just opened me a unlimited opportunity. Me and her all like mostly the same things I just don’t have good conversations. Her type is social butterfly. Hey man you and I could be friends in real life do u gotta twitter or tumblr or something?
Nope, this blog’s all I got. Well, for social butterfly, you know what you need to do. You have to be playful and very alpha male. Be overly confident. She loses interest fast, so no deep conversations. Light-hearted, low pressure, more teasing, more touching, and don’t be afraid to incorporate sex into the conversation. Impulsiveness turns her on, so if you have a shot, take it. You don’t want to over-analyze, especially with a TJI. The longer you think about it, the harder it will be to make a move, so don’t drag your feet. Good luck, dude!
Thanks Bruh, but about that social butterfly thing there sorta an abnormality. You can keep her attention with a long good conversation. So I need to take that as an advantage. I just need a good conversation
Dude I need to be interesting have any tips?
You don’t want to put pressure on yourself to be interesting. Let her do most of the talking. Ask her questions about what she finds interesting and just riff off of that really. Get into her world first, then pull her into yours. There’s a PDF resource called “Conversation Chemistry” which I’ve used from a site called meetyoursweet.com which helps with conversational skills. Cool stuff, and it doesn’t cost a helluva lot. But a word of caution that, like Pandora’s Box, when you buy a product from them, they’ll automatically sign you up for their members site. It will be free the first month, then cost about $30 a month after that until you cancel. I found it useful, though, and it’s a lot cheaper than Pandora’s Box. I kind of wish I’d found them before spending $800 on PB. Pretty sure they are all run by the same parent company, but have different products for different needs.
Alright, hey I’ve been reading some articles from sosuave they’ve helped a lot to they give examples of their techniques and I try them and they seem to work. What are your thoughts on that? Also the girl I told you about was taking pictures in front of me and she was like doin some splits now she has pictures in front of another dude she’s friends with who has a girlfriend but she got his number. She took a picture in front if him but did nothing like doin splits and (situating) her butt. I’m probably taking that too serious but she wouldn’t do anything like that around just anyone
Never heard of sosuave before, but there’s always something to be learned from other techniques.
If your girl is a TJI like you say, that behavior isn’t unusual. But again, like I said before, the more you overanalyze, the more likely you’re going to fuck up your chances, so stop thinking and start doing.
Alright that’s the part I’m scared of is doing. But I guess there’s trying and doing. I’m just weary if failure cause I don’t wanna lose this girl.
Yeah, sorry to say, dude, but risk of failure is just a part of life. Learn to live with it. I can guarantee you that, if you don’t try, you WILL lose this girl. Don’t be like all the other wimpy guys that sit around dreaming instead of doing. Make your move now so you don’t waste any more time fantasizing about her and staring in the mirror asking what if. If she turns you down, so what? It’s her loss, not yours. You’ll just go out and find another girl, maybe one that’s even better. There are plenty of hot women out there, and with the Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box training in your head, you know what it takes to attract any type of girl. The longer you remain fixated on this chick, the more opportunities around you are slipping away. Better know one way or the other so you can move on. Be masculine. Be assertive. If you want something, you got to reach out and grab it. If you just want to sit around waiting, I doubt whether you really want it at all.
Ok today I’ve got at least 40 minutes with her what do you suppose I do. What hidden technique I should try to seduce her cause there is not enough time to go over the Pandora’s box PDFs.
You don’t have to read the whole thing. Just review the part on the Social Butterfly. Takes just a few minutes. Then adapt it based on what you know about her specifically and what feels natural for your personality.
Alright I didn’t have a enough time to do that but I get what your saying. But listen a fat dude up in class has her # so that told me I really gotta step up my gameplan so I told she should go see this movie she is considering it but Monday is our last day in school before fall break and thanksgiving. She said she gonna see the new hunger games. So I’m thinking I can talk to her about the movie then have my phone out and then ask her to text me when she’s gonna go see it and I might go too. I ain’t but at least I got her number. I just gotta inks her schedule a little better since she has a job and vin said don’t hit on a girl at work cause she’ll associate that with bad feelings. But she said I was cute when I watch funny videos when I don’t have work to do I know I shouldn’t be to prideful in that but what does that mean like how can I use that to my advantage. Yo I don’t know if I told you but she was taking pictures of her project not long ago and she was like doing splits in front of me and like fixing her butt in her pants. She has taking pics in front of dudes before but not like that. But I’ll take your advice and rebrush on the PDFs cause I’m slipping. But seriously do you like the hunger games cause I just can’t get into it. And thanks for being a voice of insight. I really need a confidence boost.
I’m not a fan. But why don’t you ask her out to something that you like instead of doing what she likes? Girls like a guy that can show them new experiences.
Ight but what about the splits and butt shaking in font of me but no other dude?
Not sure if that means anything or not, but it doesn’t matter. Forget the guesswork and just ask her out.
Ight I will do as soon as go over the lessons but uh something’s happened since last time I got high one night and somehow got some Mexican girls number. And we was doing some weird phone sex thing, I ain’t heard from her in a week but now I’m friends with her friend her friends brother and her brother.