The Verdict
by illuminatingthebox
At the end of it all, the question, no doubt, on your mind is “What do you ultimately get out of Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system?”
Materially, you’ll get a cheesy certificate declaring you a “doctor of female psychology” and a bonus product called “The Making of Pandora’s Box” which has all of Brian’s notes. But I know that’s not what you care about. You want to know, ultimately, whether it’s worth spending the dough to be in the program. You want to know if it will help you improve your chances with women, if it will give your love and sex life the boost it needs, and/or if it will lead you down a path which ends in a romantic relationship.
Basically, what you want to know is, does this shit really work?
Well, that kind of depends on how you define success. I can speak to my own experience, but know that others may have different ideas of success and different levels of success. Just because something worked or didn’t work for me doesn’t necessarily mean it will work or not work for you. <End of disclaimer.>
So, what did it do for me?
Before I found Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box program, it was really hard for me to get any kind of romantic energy going with women. I had a lot of female friends, and we had good times hanging out. They trusted me and I was always a great friend to them. But that was all I was ā a great friend. There was no romantic spark, no flirting, no thought of being anything more than just friends. It wasn’t something these women decided consciously, I don’t think. It’s just that, when they were around me, their feelings were purely platonic. I occasionally ventured out to find other women I wasn’t already acquainted with, and I was always able to make good conversation, but it inevitably ended up as a normal non-romantic interaction. It was rare that they agreed to go out on a date, and when they did, it stopped after the first date. They liked me, but they weren’t attracted to me.
Then, after spending time in the Pandora’s Box program, things somehow started changing. I applied the knowledge as best as I could, incorporating the skills and techniques I was learning into my interactions with women. I wasn’t changing my personality, just changing my approach, and the results changed too. Some of these friends and new acquaintances starting reacting differently to me. They became more flirtatious. They touched me more when they talked to me. They started staring a little longer at me. They were going out more with me. I even got a direct offer to be “friends with benefits” (I kid you not). This too wasn’t something these women decided consciously, I don’t think. It’s just that now, they were seeing me in a slightly different light than before. It was a little strange at first, something I wasn’t used to. But as it increased in regularity, I came to expect it. Now, if I really wanted a woman, I knew what I could do to get her.Ā It ultimately became my decision as to how badly I wanted her, and I was able to become more picky, because I had more options.
What did it not do for me?
Despite the promises to the contrary, being in the program did not make me a sex god. Vin would be disappointed, but I didn’t get to the point where I was flinging wet panties onto my bedroom floor and having threesomes with smoking hot chicks every weekend. However, that may have been a consequence of me having more traditional views on intimacy and sexuality. With a different set of boundaries, I probably would have found it quite easy to get a woman to sleep with me by tapping into my new-found knowledge of female psychology that I learned in the Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system.
Though I was getting more attractive energy from women, I wasn’t seeing a new girl every night, and I didn’t have women chasing me, begging me to be their boyfriend. However, once again, I’d say that was in large part my own decision. I could tell that there were several women around me who wanted something more than friendship. Had I shared the attraction, I suppose something could have happened with them, but I chose instead to focus my energies on just a couple of women I was really and truly interested in. And it worked, because in the end, I got real dates with them.
So, from my perspective, I’d say that yes, this shit really does work. It was a success for me, and was worth the investment. Is it possible that I could have achieved these results without Pandora’s Box? Perhaps. It is also possible that the changes I claim to have seen were simply a figment of my imagination. But the effect of a placebo cannot be denied, because at the end of the day, it all comes down to attitude and believing you can attract women romantically. Even if that is all you get out of this program, it is still worth it.
Not everyone you find in Internet-land would agree with me, though. When I started the Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box program, there were few reviews out there about its effectiveness. Since then, it has become more popular, more people have tried it, and there are more opinions about whether it is worth trying. I have read some of those new reviews, and in my next (and final) blog entry, I will attempt to address some of the more common criticisms of the Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box system using my perspective as an actual customer.
Illuminating the Box 
Wow – I’m tired just reading this. How about just going up to 10 women a day and give her a compliment on what attracted her to you. Could be her hair, her eyes, her dress her shoes. I can say without a doubt, I have lost more opportunities making a connection by not initiating first contact. If she makes first contact, well, there is nothing to worry about, if she appeals to you, ( and even if she doesn’t, be human, she has feelings – give her a compliment and some of your time ) let her know. After all , she came up to you.
Without a doubt, though, waiting fer her to come to you is a losing proposition. When she comes to you, its from the blindside. you just don’t see it coming. So don’t look for it, it will happen on its own. Two of the hottest babes I mated with did just that. They liked what they saw and they went for it.
Now – since we aren’t cavemen anymore , where you basically grab and rape what you see…..you have to make the first move. Suck it up. go up to her and let her know what attracted her to you. What’s the very worse she could do …….if you are crude, a smack across the face, if you are genuine…..a look of disgust , where you can simply say, “hey, i just wanted to compliment you ” and walk away. Nothing lost but at least you gave another human the gift of a compliment – she’ll remember it 9 she’ll tell her buddies, hey, this guy came up to me in WalMart and said i had beautiful hands …..creepy huh …..but it’s not creepy, and she’ll know it ) – you’ll feel good about yourself.
Case in point – at Walmart – I saw this petite asian all dolled up in stilletto’s and short skirt…..i thought about it to long and became a stalker.
What should i have done…….go straight to her and express what i really felt …..WOW – you look great. I love your dress and the shoes are so great….blah blah bullshit. If she bit, well then i could ask if we could shop together and if all signs looked good, maybe an aisle fuck somewhere in the store or at the very least , her name and contact.
When I left the store i felt like shit…..a missed opportunity……look its easy to give a compliment. it’s harmless, it has a good chance to make someone feeel better , and it can open the door to other questions.
For me, I would have loved to walk the store with this babe, look at stuff, be normal, every once in awhile I’d just let her know how hot she looked….because you know what….you have to talk to her if she doesn’t come to you.
Ok – so – even for me – 10 women a day – give a compliment at what genuinely attracted your eye to her….who gives a shit about rejections…..can someone , even if it matters , call you a creep for genuinely telling someone you like something about them. NO …you aren’t a creep. You are a person who likes something about someone.
let’s give it a try – who knows , we may grow
That’s great you’ve set yourself a goal of talking to 10 women a day. That’s the kind of thing the “Approaching Without Rejection” e-book in the Pandora’s Box system teaches. That’s a good start, but now, figure out what to say to them next. Okay, a compliment — although some types of women (tester-deniers in particular) would get creeped out by that, but whatever. What comes after that initial icebreaker? How do you continue the discussion that will keep that specific type of woman interested and possibly lead to dates and sex? Because not all women are the same. Pandora’s Box will help teach you that.
As a highschooler you know what a teenage boy like me wants. Either its real ass relationship or sex. Any tips you can help me out with please. And thank you
Well, that’s quite a general question. What do you have the most trouble with when it comes to trying to get what you want?
Great blog and this post is good too. What i think you should have explicitly addressed in this post was if you divided women into those 8 categories when you approached them and if the advice given for each type works/makes sense (you said the program bosts your confidance more than anything so i presume the answer is no), if you were able to use those (frivolous) guidelines or it’s just too much to juggle with and you just let the conversation flow naturally, etc. This would have given us a little more insight into the program’s usefulnes–if in your assessment you had broken down the program into it’s constituents and addressed each one in turn. You said you applied the techniques as best you could but that’s too vague and general and it doesn’t help us reach a conclusion. What parts were you able to apply? Did you keep all that theory in the back of your mind during your conversations or just certain parts? Which parts? Etc. A real life example of when the program worked with a particular woman or failed with another would help too. At any rate, i appreciate you taking the time to review the material. As opposed to everything else you find on the web, this post actually explains the methodology, which after all is more valuable than any of the points i touched upon. Great job!
It’s both, actually. Of course you want to let the conversation flow naturally, but as you know, there is an infinite number of directions that any given conversation can go in. Knowing the type of girl you are talking to helps you steer the conversation in the most effective direction. Some girls like talking about career goals; some like talking about dreams. Some like talking dirty; some like keeping it clean. Some like meaningful dialogue; some like low-pressure surface talk. It all depends on who you are having the conversation with, and the typing in Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system helps you identify the girl’s conversational needs quickly and clearly. So, you do have to keep those guidelines in the front of your mind, but not so much that it detracts from your concentration on what is being said. That was where a lot of my early mistakes originated from — I was so focused on connecting the dots and hitting the bullet points from the system that I wasn’t paying enough attention to what the girls were saying and the conversations would eventually peter out. But, with practice, I learned to synthesize the material and used it to help steer conversations in ways that were natural. That resulted in longer, more effective conversations which led to phone numbers, then to first dates, then to second and third dates, and eventually, to an awesome girlfriend who is totally devoted to me.
The purpose of this blog is simply to help guys decide whether Pandora’s Box might be right for them. I don’t break it down into too much detail because, well, that’s what the program itself does, if you decide to get it. And yes, I don’t have any blow-by-blow accounts of actual interactions, because in order to remember how those interactions went down, I’d have to be taking notes or making a recording — both of which are counter to “natural conversation.” Making conversation is itself an art, and you can find special resources just for that (such as “Conversational Mastery” from meetyoursweet.com). Pandora’s Box adds an extra layer on top of conversation that will help you hone your skills and expertly adjust to specific types of women, increasing your odds of getting exactly the kind of girl you want.
Thanks for your comments.
There’s only one method to snag a woman, any woman that is…You need Iron confidence…That is all, women love confidence and making sure they’re the only woman on planet earth in your eyes will cement you as the only man for her…And you don’t need to spend any money to do figure that out..
“Iron confidence.” Well, that sounds nice. It’s like saying girls will like you if you just “be yourself.” It’s an easy, flimsy, vague, and completely useless statement. Sure, I think we all can agree that men who are insecure and not confident will have a hard time attracting women — actually, maybe not everyone will agree with that, because there are a lot of insecure men out there who have no trouble getting dates. Confidence isn’t the be all and end all. It’s what you do with that confidence. You can be confident in many things, and still be a complete imbecile when it comes to relating to a woman on a deep and emotional level — the kind of level that inspires sexual attraction for a man, not just comfort like he’s a cool guy to hang with. And different women relate in different ways, which is what Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system teaches. You’re a confident dude? Great! Now, how do you leverage that confidence and what steps do you take to get the women that you want, because just showing up isn’t going to be enough. Just having the confidence to go up to a woman and say “hey there” isn’t enough either. There’s a lot more, and that’s what you learn in Pandora’s Box.
Say illuminatingthebox after your initial 70 dollar fee to star the membership you got the 14 day trial with the chance to get the 70 back but after the 14 day trial you would get charged 24.99 a week so the 70 bucks is just to get the membership and 24.99 a week was it charged weekly or all together at the end of the month which is about 100+ a month
I got charged all together at the end of the month, so $99.96/month.
Thanks a ton for this review man! I felt a lot of this material had merit and could be proven but the simple fact of the matter was it was geared too much to represent a scam. I think this is the only non-biased user report i have seen and i thank you for it. Overall i think i found myself in your position. I have a lot of female friends i can connect with but few of which in a romantic manner. Girls i date i usually find outside my existing friendships and acquaintances and even then they don’t last too long. I personally was not looking for way to overindulge myself with sex from multiple partners so much as i was trying to get with the female friends i have liked for a while and invested a lot in emotionally. I don’t think i really have the $800 to actually consider signing up for the system, and honestly any site that uses the shady methods to get members like that no matter how effective is still dishonest.
Anyway thank you so much for the time you took in posting this review. I feel like i probably wont end up buying the product but maybe I’ll start trying to do a little research of my own on how to break those little friend zone barriers.
You’re welcome. There are other systems out there; I just happened to buy into this one and found it useful. There’s another program I’ve plugged called MeetYourSweet.com which covers basic conversational skills and how to gradually turn yourself into a man that can be more attractive to all women, including those that you have friendships with. It’s not as specific as Pandora’s Box, but it’s half the cost and full of material I found quite informative. It’s sort of an “anti-PUA” program for meeting, dating, and creating a relationship with the woman of your dreams. But again, it’s just one of many similar products out there, so you’re wise to do your research. Good luck!
How long did it take for you to get successful because I have a this girl friend I’m eyeing she flirty around her guy friends but they aren’t sexually interested. I haven’t bought the system but I’ve read some ebooks and applied some techniques and it sorta worked. I want this girl to be my girlfriend before we graduate and I don’t connect with her out of school but I want to
Replied to your later post.
Hi,
Everywhere in the initial video they basically whore out that there are just 3 simple questions to ask a girl that are subtle but work wonders, were they ever cover by the program?
Yes and no. The “3 simple questions” statement is misleading. You don’t ask a girl any magic questions, but rather there are three questions you need to ask yourself when determining how to proceed with a girl: What is her time line? What is her sex line? What is her relationship line? The program explains what that all means and what to do based on the answers to those questions.
Wow! Thank you! I always needed to write on my website something like that. Can I take a portion of your post to my blog?
Only if you provide the source and link them back to illuminatingthebox.wordpress.com.
Thanks for the review. I found it honest, interesting and humorously entertaining, esp in the beginning. I have to admit I was hoping for a little bit more of the cynicism, really for my own selfish entertainment š But I do appreciate that you’ve taken the time to write this.
I’ve also dabbled in this sort of “seduction community” stuff. I read Vin’s book “the attraction code” and have listened to and read various others. David De Angelo, Zan Perrion and Brent Smith to name a few. Zan is the guy I relate most to. Emphasizes much more on the natural and much less on the theory/structure stuff, hence he is also more abstract.
In my opinion, it’s all training wheels. Like you say, may give guys confidents to get into the game, which for some is by far the biggest obstacle.
Eventually you will have to carve out your own path and ways of doing things. The more experience I get with women, the more I find the “important ones” or the ones you want the most, will not fit into any preconceived type, or “strategy” and you will just have to rely on yourself and take chances, “break the rules” if you will. You may even have to unlearn things that you previously thought works.
I’m not criticizing, I think it’s fantastic that this stuff is out there. But I also think that finding out who you are, what you want, and what your specific obstacles are that are standing in your way (not just women/sex/relationships but for anything), is a life long process. The real key is to learn to enjoy the journey. And yes I’ll be the first to admits it’s easier said than done.
Yes, very true. Well said, Kelsey. Another thing I might add is that the caution with all of these kinds of training programs is that, while they can enlighten your mind on what you have been doing wrong and what you need to start doing right, they can also cause you to spend too much time in your head when talking to a woman or when out on a date. That can be an attraction-killer, because most women are very well attuned to the logic/emotion balance, and have a heightened awareness of whether or not you are being genuine. At the beginning, it’s probably inevitable for many guys to be so consciously aware of all the material that they will initially come across as insincerely following a playbook. That’s when a lot of guys give up and say “I didn’t get a girlfriend or get laid in the first month, so this program is shit.” I think it’s because of unrealistic expectations set up by the program and by the men themselves. It really does take a while to start seeing results; you need to be patient. Like any skill you you are trying to learn, things will go slowly at the start and you’ll make many mistakes. But with diligent practice, adapting it to your own style, it will eventually become more natural over time.
Yes, I totally agree. Well said as well. The unrealistic expectations set up by the marketing is absurd. And anything that hints of disingenuousness, is sure to be an attraction killer.
Thanks for this review. I read everything and you seem 100% honest.
You got 2 dates, but you been succsefull? Is your girlfriend?
And have any importance beeing cute?
How do you consider yourself objective?, average?
Hi Arun. I don’t consider myself to be bad looking or good looking, just average. Looks play a little bit of a role, but they are not as important to women as they are to men. Pandora’s Box makes the point that women are more attracted to how a man thinks rather than how he looks.
I had a girlfriend for a short while, but that ended when we both realized it wasn’t going to go anywhere. Honestly, I’ve just been spending these last few months enjoying being attractive. I know that sounds kind of funny, but since attraction comes much easier for me now, I’ve realized I don’t have to be as desperate as I was before, looking for any woman that seems to like me. I can start giving more serious thought about which women would really be good for me.