Reviews and Rebuttals
by illuminatingthebox
When I first signed up for Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system, I did some scouring of the Web to see if I could find any good reviews. Maybe I was using the wrong search keywords, but at the time, there were very few. When I search now, I see lots of reviews. Perhaps it’s because more people are using the system, or maybe I’m just more tuned in, having now gone through the program myself. In any event, I’ve noticed praise and various criticisms among the chatter, and I thought it would nice to end this blog with a review of the reviews for anyone else who is weighing the option of joining the Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box system. Remember, these are only my views, but I am an actual customer who sat through the entire program, so I feel I have, at the very least, an informed perspective.
Criticism #1: The Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box system is for experienced pick-up artists and is not something that should be used by novices.
I put this first because it is, perhaps, the most ludicrous claim I’ve seen. The truth is that the Pandora’s Box system is, by its very nature, targeted towards novices to get them to think like a pick-up artist without actually becoming one.
If you look at what real pick-up artists say about the program — you know, the guys every nice guy hates because they get women by being masters of manipulation — you’ll find that they consider Vin DiCarlo to be, at best, a minor league player. I’ve never met Vin personally, but those who have apparently consider him to be a sorry-ass excuse for a pick-up artist because he’s a short, mouse-faced guy that can only get ugly Asian women (their words, not mine). Since I myself am not a pick-up artist, I must trust their judgement, but to me, that isn’t a knock on the Pandora’s Box program. I sat in a real pick-up artist class once, and I swore never to go back again. What I saw in these players is a hidden hatred of women that leads them to lure a hot beauty into their firm control so that they can use her and lose her at will (they call it “gaming”). That’s not something I can stomach, and that isn’t what Pandora’s Box is about either. If you want that kind of life, don’t bother with Vin; go find a major league player that can teach you the tricks of the trade for a pretty fee.
Pandora’s Box is not so much a pick-up artist’s manual as it is about understanding how women think, and using that to your advantage when attempting to initiate romantic interest. It is well suited for novices, and personally I think Vin DiCarlo should market the program as something for novices, because having seen what real players are taught, I admit that Pandora’s Box packs about as much pick-up artist firepower as a BB gun. It could, potentially, cause harm when used improperly, and in the wrong hands, it may be a gateway to something more extreme; however, it is generally harmless in most contexts.
Now, I should clarify what I mean when I say “novices.” To me, that means nice guys who often come up short in the romance department. They have confidence, great personalities, good communication skills, are not unattractive, and yet still cannot get the girls to like them as more than a friend. Several reviews made mention of the fact that if you have lousy social skills, then this program will not help you. On that point, I must agree. You have to put the principles into practice to see results, and that will be hard to do if you have social anxiety disorder, terrible hygiene, or no fashion sense whatsoever. But those things can be overcome, and as you work to overcome them, the Vin Dicarlo Pandora’s Box system can give you the tools to take things up one more level. I’ve seen a few references to other books like Dating to Relating and Double Your Dating which cover similar material. I haven’t read any of these other works, but even though they may have a lot of the same theory, if they are thin on practical application, you’d still end up needing the Pandora’s Box stuff at some point.
Criticism #2: The Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box system is expensive and is way too much material to digest.
Expensive? Yes. $800+ isn’t what many would consider cheap. A lot of material? Yes, which is why it is spread out over eight months, like a two-semester college course. That much is true. The question is more whether you are willing to put the time and money and energy investment into improving your dating life, because the Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box system will do that for you. If you can’t afford the investment, I’m sure there are cheaper options out there without as much material. They may not be as effective, though, so ultimately, it’s your choice whether you want to pay for the quality. It’s like buying furniture — either you can go cheap and get shit from IKEA that will break down in a couple of years, or you can go to a real store and pay more for proper furniture that will last a lifetime. Your choice.
Criticism #3: Vin DiCarlo is a fraud and Pandora’s Box is a scam. Just look at the website.
This is the most common vituperation from the anti-PUA crowd: that the whole system is just one big deception and a costly rip-off. You’ll even find a homemade exposé by a competing dating guru named Ross Jefferies, pointing out all the red flags on the sign-up website: the gotchas in the fine print, the hidden costs, the fake testimonials, etc. His points are valid; like any service you sign up for on the Web, when you enlist in the Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box program, you need to go in with eyes wide open and know what you are getting into. In an effort to oversell the program, a lot of amateur mistakes are made. The hard sell tactics, bloated claims, and sneaky price masking really do make it appear like a scam. But it is a real product, and you get real results from it; the marketing does it an injustice. I cover these issues in depth in my first three blog entries. Even though it sounds like a scam, it isn’t, and you if you Google “vin dicarlo pandoras box” you’ll find many more reviews which say “Is it a scam? — No” than you will “Is it a scam? — Yes.”
Criticism #4: The Pandora’s Box claims are over-exaggerated.
Though I have found better dating success with Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system, I do have to agree that the initial claims are over the top. Like I said in some of my other posts, these guys specialize in hyperbole. They blow a lot of smoke that you have to wave away to see the reality. They make it sound like any girl you want will just come flocking to you without you really having to do anything. That isn’t true. You have to exercise the information, put it into practice with actual women, and that means approaching, talking, and following up. There are no “simple tricks” that magically work. You shouldn’t expect results without effort, but the Pandora’s Box system will tell you what kind of efforts are needed and how to make them more effective than what you were doing before. You won’t see instant results either. You need to be patient as you apply the knowledge, accepting that there will be early failures, but remaining confident that you will see improvement in the long run.
Criticism #5: You, Mr. IlluminatingTheBox, are a fake. You probably work for Vin DiCarlo. You don’t even use your real name.
Okay, so this isn’t an actual criticism that has come my way, but I’m anticipating it. The simple answer is no. I’ve never met Vin DiCarlo, I don’t work for DiCarlo Coaching or Alltare Publishing, and I don’t get any kickbacks if people sign up for Pandora’s Box. I started this blog simply because I found the system was effective, and I wanted to share that revelation with the social media masses. There is way too much hype and marketing for this product already, both before you get it, and even after as it continues to pound you with marketing while you are inside the program. I don’t need to add to that. But honestly, it works, and that’s really all I can say.
As for why I don’t use my real name? Well, having these techniques in your pocket surely is a little bit of a cheat in the dating game. Why would I want to potentially expose my secret to the women in my life? Let them just believe that I have a natural ability to understand them better than all the other guys. When you have a competitive edge, it’s best you keep it to yourself.
Illuminating the Box 
Same old bullshit !!! The old you get what you pay for crap. Maybe you paid $ 868 (moron) for that tripe, no one with a brain would. As for anonymous comment. What a Coward! You are ashamed of your conduct in your own relationships. Otherwise why would you hide your identity. Something to BE ashamed of?
I have a brain, I paid $868, and I found a girl that I have been in a happy relationship with for almost two years. So, I got a helluva lot MORE than I paid for with Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system.
What happens at the end of the program? Do they continue to charge you? Do you still have access to the website?
They don’t charge you anymore after the 33 weeks, and your access to the site continues indefinitely. Almost three years after signing up, I can still get to the site. And new material gets added every few months. The core program has remained unchanged, but almost 80 Pandora’s Box follow-up podcasts have been posted since I completed the program.
Hi, my name’s Damian and I purchased Pandora’s box after reviewing your blog. It’s interesting, I’m moving in to the section titled “Private dancer” and I have found a lot of success picking up girls I first meet as I can quickly determine what type of personality they are based on Pandora’s box. But here’s my problem. I can get their number and make good initial text contact, but haven’t been successful in scoring any dates. I had one flake out on me when we were suppose to meet up. I remember reading that they do that if they are a tester. Here’s what I’ve seen so far: each of the interviews of each of the eight personality types, is the information from these interviews only good for that specific personality type? Or is that that as you watch all of the interviews , you find more gold nuggets of information that help you with all women? Because I find the answers given by these women are only good for being used when you initially meet them. Which I strike home runs at every time. But I have no arsenal of tools to continue the relationship over time. And nothing I’ve explored inside Pandora’s box so far has illuminated any more material to help with this situation aside from the dozens of e books he gives as supplementary material on how to bed them and the interviews. I look forward to your feedback.
Hi Damien. Glad to hear that you signed onto the Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box system and it is starting to work for you. Yes, I have found that some of the information in the interviews — though it works best on the woman of that type — apply equally to all women. It’s great that you are applying the techniques and are finding success in the early stages. For many men, that’s the hardest part. I understand how frustrating it can be when you don’t see the initial connections translate immediately into dates, but you need to have patience. Continue honing your newfound skills, adjusting them to fit your personality and what you’re morally comfortable with, and you will soon see the expected results. Over the course of the program, there will be more and more supplementary readings that help guide you in the process, but the key is to be persistent, to keep practicing, and to not be put off by early failures. They will happen, but you just keep exercising, and before you know it, you’ll find yourself in a position with more options than you’ll know what to do with. Good luck!
Hi, it’s Damian again. I scored a very hot woman, we dated for one month and I got so enthusiastic, she stated I bullied her into a relationship. She dumped me yesterday. I know her so well now that I retook that quiz on Pandora’s box and discovered she is a seductress! 100%! And my neediness and attempts to buy her things and be sweet turn these women right off! Now I see why she dumped me! She texted the most brutal text that she was no longer attracted to me and didn’t see a future with me. What do I do? I’m crazy about her. I’m in the section of “the modern woman” and it will be another month and a half before I get to the “seductress” section. Is there any way of getting her back? How do I get this type to chase me because I see that’s what seductresses like to do. Now that I know her type, I just want another chance of making this work. Help!
That’s pretty harsh, but familiar. I made similar errors in judgement when I started out with the system, trying to get too serious too quickly and getting burned by it. Neediness is a turnoff for all women, but it is especially repulsive for testers. But, that’s what the learning process is about. You take what lessons you can from each failure, move on, and try not to make the same mistakes again. At this point, you might as well just delete her number and look for the next one. Crawling back will only make it worse and affirm why she dumped you in the first place. There are plenty of other women around, and other Seductresses too. It will take time and patience, but eventually, you’ll find one that sticks. Just keep working at it. Good luck!
Hi Damian again, I did the impossible and the seductress called me back and I’m back in the game . We went out on a date and had amazing sex and she revealed she’s very into me. But she also confessed to going out on several dates with several men and has narrowed it down to me and another guy. I’ve been reading thoroughly the profiles and it keeps talking about how to make her drop her orbiters and just choose you. Where the hell is that information??????? It keeps talking about using the advanced techniques to do this but I can’t for the life of me find any! Have you seen any of these techniques? Help! I need help fast!
Never mind. We broke up. But I discovered this is a woman that I don’t like so it’s ok . At least I got laid several times. All looks but personality is pretty horrible.
At least you learned something from it. In general, you want to flip the script on a tester and make her feel like she is just one of your orbiters. If she is even slightly interested, it will intrigue her that you don’t consider her to be the top choice on your list (whether that is true or not). But if you like her, you don’t want to totally blow her off either, because she always has other options, so the key is to be patient but persistent. Make sure she knows that you remember her, but don’t go overboard with the pursuit. Wish you better luck with the next one.
As you did, I waded through Vin’s swamp of marketing efforts and started to find the material very sound. Then the website went to pieces and I’m waiting for their tech help.
I’m in a different class of user, being a hobby writer looking for ideas for characters as much as ideas for attracting women. As a 65-year old, I can look back at women and see how the program’s insights match up with them. I would have done a better job with the women that I had with this knowledge, perhaps would have been able to stay married.
For the novices reading this, sex with romance creates a lifetime link, whether one maintains connections or not. Since my divorce, it’s been fun with younger women, but the deepest thrill is having women who I haven’t been with in years smiling at me in the morning. The amount of time to develop the beautiful moment is the inverse of how well I did with the girl in the 1960’s and 70’s. The girl I did the best with in college — a cute grandmother now – admitted that over the years when she needed to masturbate that she fantasized about us. So Pandora’s Box is expensive, but consider it a long-term investment.
Thank you for your insight. I can see how the material would work for a writer too, particularly if you have female characters in your story. It gives you eight personalities to choose from.
Thanks for the review. I think I will hold off, your review was very valuable!
Thank you for your very honest review. It seems like this is a great product and something that would help someone like me out a lot. I just can’t get past the price point. As a guy in his early 20’s working two jobs to barely pay rent and other bills it’s just not affordable. I wish someone would post at least some of the Identifying facts somewhere, cause I think that would help a lot. At the same time though, I get why no one has. It would be stupid to give up a trick to everyone else.
But again, thank you. I may be revisiting it later when/if I get some kind of raise.
Sure. The good thing is that it is paid in monthly installments which makes it easier than having to come up with a big sum all at once, but yes, it does cost a lot and it is one of the more expensive programs out there, so you got to consider what you can afford. Thanks for stopping by.
Hey. I just got Pandora’s box a two days ago, on the 21st. I’ve gotten almost 25 emails just over the past few days, all but 3 of them are promotions for other products. The other three of them were even videos on the same exact product that I purchased.
I can’t stay I’m surprised looking back and realizing how poorly its marketed (like you’ve said already above).
It’s very frustrating getting all this emails. I get regular messages from puaforums, and a few others, but over the last three days, Vin’s emails have literally outnumbered the sum of the others 7-1. Have you had this annoyance occur for yourself too?
And for just $25 dollars a week, saying like it’s such a steal. I want to take your word for it, and find that it is worth it, but it not cheap by any means.
I haven’t looked extensively into everything so far. But after seeing the videos explaining what is given in the PH.D. program, it seems like its everything that was promised in the first video, with the first purchase. But the best and already promised material isn’t even available if you don’t plan on paying anymore money. Another $100 a month? Ridiculous.
Also, I’ve been told that I must finish my payment, which I have done, the first time. The money has been transferred out of my account already. It seems like they’re hoping that I’m dumb enough to give them my payment info again, in hopes of billing me once more.
Everything up until this point makes me question even more if this program even does what it says it does. It seems as though Vin is trying to squeeze every last penny out anyone who try his product, only to give another shot to another program/company to rip them off yet again.
I am not sure if you have bought other PUA products before this point, but EVERY program I’ve even considered buying says something like: Pay only $67 for a $500 product for being the first 100 testers. But act quickly though and don’t loose your priority spot by leaving this web page.
Do the prices even increase over time? It seems as though that one product looses it’s hype quickly because of another. Therefore the previous one becomes obsolete. I can only imagine for prices of each product to decrease (or should) just as any other product, electronics, appliances, cars, etc.
I am starting to think that there is no program that it is so extraordinary unique that it won’t be surpassed and beaten by another product that comes out in the near future. EVERY program I’ve looked at makes it seems it the “cream of the crop”.
Thanks for your comments, Kyle. Yes, I got pummeled by those emails too, though it only started happening about six months after I completed the program. Don’t know if it is because it took them that long to fix their mailer or whatever, but it really irked me and reminded me about why I was so hesitant to sign up the first time. Fortunately, though, you can opt-out of those mails, or “opt-down” if you just want to reduce the traffic to once a day or once a week. Those other products don’t all come from Vin, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they all came from a common source. Probably, if you dug deep enough, you’d be able to trace all this PUA material to some mega-company that is totally sincere in its efforts to educate men on how to handle women, and it may even have a few porn sites on the side to make ends meet.
That doesn’t necessarily nullify the usefulness of the Pandora’s Box material, though. The hyper-aggressive marketing is a major turn-off, I’ll admit, but I found the product helpful nonetheless. It gave me a new perspective on dating and relating. Are there better programs? Maybe. I don’t know. Of course, everybody is going to say their system is the best and worth more much than what you’re paying. Which one is right for you depends on what your focus is, I guess. Some are all about seducing women and piling up one-night stands. Some are simply about how to better approach and converse with women. And some, like Pandora’s Box, try to straddle the line in between. There is a lot of material beyond just the core, which is why it has a high cost. The first 14 days are meant to be a trial period, and they say you can cancel and get a refund if you don’t like it. I can’t vouch for the truthfulness of that claim, because I never tried to cancel.
As I’ve tried to clarify in this blog, Pandora’s Box isn’t a “get everything for one low price” kind of product, as the video seems to imply. Pandora’s Box is subscription-based. Being a subscription-based service, you will incur costs for each month you stay in the program — up to a total of eight months. Try it, and if you like it, keep it. If you don’t like it, cancel it. Or, if you are too uneasy about even trying it, then don’t. The hot air about the site being shut down imminently is marketing bullshit; it will stay up as long as it is generating revenue. I don’t know if the price will ever go down (it hasn’t over the last year) but at the same time, there’s no need to rush to buy it immediately. You can always try to make a go of it on your own, or explore other programs and their lofty claims. I just happened to get Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system, and it worked for me.
I just did a search for “pandoras box system” and found a litany of websites all published by a third party paid for by the owner of the system or published by the fraudster “DiCarlo” himself. It’s classic marketing scammery. It’s not “mistakes” he’s making, they are entirely intentional, and they are all the same types of laughable promises and bait and switch schemes you see in Scientology or a Time Share sale. I wouldn’t be surprised if “Vin DiCarlo” was at one time a scientologist. Reminds me of that Sham Wow Vince guy and his “underground comedy movie” (It is number two in my list of worst movies ever with Transformers 2 at number one) which was marketed as “controversial” when really it’s a yawn. Fun Fact, that vince guy was also a scientologist at one time.
The real secret to meeting women is having the confidence to approach them in the first place with the intention of being more than friends. And to have that confidence you have to be worth her time, meaning, you have to at least have a job, shower daily with soap and shampoo, have clean hair nails and teeth, and not have some kind of personality disorder. Of course the really pretty/beautiful women the guys who think they need this program want will never want anything to do with them. These are men who are balding, out of shape, have no job or have a menial low-paying job, no car, and spit when they talk or smell their fingers or are fans of My Little Pony and think wearing a fedora makes them interesting, and live with their parents. This is what makes women want to “friendzone” you, which is a cute way for the rejected man to put her “not wanting anything to do with you”.
It’s unfortunate but it’s the reality. Beautiful, attractive, young, fit women have their pick of the litter, and no amount of pick up artist lectures and literature will make them pick you. Sorry. Life’s not fair. Lower your standards and hook up with a fat girl, or go to school and become a lawyer or doctor. You’ll be fighting the prime women off with a stick. There are no “three questions that attract women like a magnet”. That is nonsense and it’s the most transparent scam I’ve ever seen. As scams go, this one is bush league. It’s like baby’s first con.
Prime women want prime men. They do like a guy who can make them laugh, but with the caveat that he has to also be good looking. Either lean/trim, or athletic and cut. This is going to be difficult for some guys raised on romantic comedies and the trite sentiments our sad cultures passes off as “wisdom”, but women are just as shallow, if not more shallow than men. They care about 1>Looks 2>Wealth 3>Status 4>Your House 5>Your car. Personality and sense of humor are optional. The “jerks always get the girls” sentiment is also nonsense. Any guy who has what you desperately want but can’t ever get will be perceived as a jerk. If women are attracted to narcissists and sociopaths it’s because they are politicians, CEOs, con artists who bilked money off of desperate chumps, cops, etc. Guys who have authority because society has legitimized their monstrous and disgusting attitudes and behavior by paying them reprehensible sums of money and power.
Hmmm. I must say, Robert, that there is a beautiful poetry in your bitterness and cynicism. The Pandora’s Box promotional videos have some of the same words you’ve used, then follow it up with how the system will break those misconceptions. But it sounds like you’ve already come to the conclusion that it’s all bullshit and you don’t need to try it. That’s cool; it’s your decision. I’ve found it helpful, but maybe you don’t need it. Maybe you’ve found a different system to attract “prime” women in your life. What is that system — I mean — besides the obvious answer of “just be confident?” Or are you one of the lucky few that has looks, wealth, status, a house, and a car and thus you attract hot chicks simply by walking the earth? I’m interested to know, because in my experience, you can have all that, and still strike out with women because you can’t understand them, can’t talk to them, can’t relate to them, and can’t connect with them. Or you just get gold-diggers that will leave you for the first guy they find with better looks, more wealth, higher status, a bigger house, and a fancier car. That’s where Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system can lend a hand — by teaching how to connect to women on an emotional, rather than material level. Because while looks, wealth, status, a house, and a car can all help your cause, it is a small part of what women find attractive. Personality and sense of humor are far more important than any of that, and what women find even more important than those things is a man’s ability to “get” them. That’s what Pandora’s Box delivers.
Thanks for visiting the blog and leaving your thoughts.
I am a bisexual woman. I was looking into Pandora’s Box to see if it could help me out. As a reply to the, ahem, gentleman above, MOST women couldn’t care less about WHAT you have. What matters most is HOW YOU TREAT THEM. If you walk confidently up to a woman & try to impresss her with your money, status & stuff, she will, most likely smile politely & then slip out when she excuses herself to go to the bathroom. If you’re a jerk (see exhibit A-hole above) you’re not going to get anywhere. And, in my experience, most guys, and girls (yes, it happens to us too) get ‘friend zoned’ either because they can’t really relate to the other person, or they don’t make their feelings & intentions known.
I opted NOT to sign upfor the program, mostly because of the cost & the incredibly agressive marketing. However, I can tell you, as a woman, I don’t usually fall into the ‘typical female mindset’ category, nor do most of the women I know, gay, straight or bi.
To those of you using the system, happy hunting. I hope it helps to bring you the happiness you so desire. To those of you NOT using the system, same to you.
Thank you for your perspective. Yes, nobody likes to be classified, and every woman — every human being really — has something that doesn’t fit the “typical” category. The Pandora’s Box “types” are stereotypes; they are generalities of the female population, but no individual will embody them 100%. Still, for those who choose to use the Vin DiCarlo Pandora’s Box System, it will give them an idea of personality styles that will help them adjust their approach and their interactions with women. One size doesn’t fit all, and Pandora’s Box can help you discern what will work for a certain kind of personality. But it won’t suit everybody’s needs, so whether you use it or not, good luck finding what you’re looking for.
I’m glad to see that you found you could cater you personal values of sex in a relationship using the Box. I got the “I’m a horny loner who wants more action video” and was very appalled (Though when I think about it, it did focus on lasting relationships near the end). Being a young man, these days it seems like holding out sex until marriage just won’t work anymore, and I was truly afraid that I might have to drop a closely held value of mine just to even date a women.
So thank you very much for this review. Perhaps I’ll pull a few extra shifts to be able to pay for this or get my roommates to split the costs. It sounds like it’s worth it.
Splitting the costs with your roomies — that is an excellent idea! One thing I really would have liked while going through this material is having a couple of buddies to discuss it with. Yes, you should totally do that, if they’re up for it. Watch the videos together. Talk about what you’ve learned. Share stories about the girls in your social circles and where they fit along the personality scale. You’ll be able to help each other figure stuff out, keep each other accountable, and probably end up growing closer together as friends in the process.
It does take a bit of internal filtering to get past the sexual emphasis of Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system, but this is what makes it stand out from other pick-up artist programs. Those other ones are catered towards getting a woman attracted and into your pants in a few short hours. And yes, you probably could apply Pandora’s Box that way if one-night stands were your end goal. But PB goes beyond that. It’s about understanding women in a way that transcends sex. Sure, sex is a part of it, but it doesn’t play a central role, and I have actually found myself getting more attraction from sexually-open justifier women because I’m not all about sex.
Hi! Thank you for this interesting blog. Actually, I have a question: does PB work when used with women from non-western cultures?
You know, another one of the criticisms that I’ve heard about Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box system is that it is only for Western women. I don’t agree though. Sure, Western women might be more sexually liberated and career-focused, but there are still many that are old-fashioned. Undoubtedly, you might find some personality types are more common than others in certain parts of the world, but at the end of the day, women are women everywhere. They all have the same needs and urges and desires; it’s just that culture dictates (or demands) how they should be expressed. A lot of the Pandora’s Box techniques tap into the primal instincts that exist in all women, regardless of where they live. It’s not a question of American, Asian, Latina, African, Middle Eastern, or European — they are female. Simple as that.
i have a pretty bad memory is it possible to re-watch videos and papers once you’ve completed the course?
Yes. It has been almost six months since I completed the program and my password to access the material still works.
Hey very nice Blog 😉
Could you contact me.
I know The System very Good but there are some Things i’m Need to Talk someone who is on the Same Level or higher 😉
Sry for the Bad English
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Write me Thx
Hi Alex. I’m pretty new to the program and every situation is unique. You’d get better answers if you go directly to Vin and his staff. You can contact him at askvin@vindicarlo.com.
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Thanks for sharing your refreshingly honest
insights on pandora’s box. I like the idea of not changing your personality. Could you share some of the techniques that became effective in changing women’s perceptions of you? Was there a specific technique you used that produced the “friends with benefits” request?
Touching goes a long way, as long as you don’t overdo it, of course. It seems so simple, but it is a great way to make a connection and let the girl know you are interested in her. I’ve found a lot of the other Pandora’s Box techniques to be effective too. For the investors, giving good eye contact, and focusing closely on what they are saying. For the testers, dialing back the pressure to make conversation, and treating the interaction as no big deal. For the justifiers, throwing in a sexual joke every so often. For the deniers, gentle persistence. For the idealists, talking about their dreams. And for the realists, asking them to do things for you.
The “friends with benefits” request came from a long time friend who was an investor-justifier-realist. I don’t know if there was a specific technique that tipped the scales, but I made sure to keep calm, focused interest during the evening, shared some of my fears and weaknesses, and incorporated lingering touch. Vin says that emotional rapport is important to winning over an NJR, and indeed, building that emotional bond over dinner helped lay the groundwork for what followed.
I like the title of your blog. I have Pandora Box and I’ve read it between a and couple days ago and today. I’m having trouble seeing where you can begin with the implementation, as far as profiling her. I’m thinking that this could be most effective in online dating, on sites such as okcupid dot com where the women usually fill out her profile thoroughly, and also answers hundreds of personal questions for matching (which are by default made public).
You could then determine her type for most of the women who fit neatly into one type, then skip the “profiling” step and jump into the seduction strategy appropriate for her type.
Already we know that most women online dating are seeking long term or at least something semi meaningful (not all, but it
would make sense).
I’d love to bounce thoughts back and forth. Brandyn_gray@yahoo.com
Hey Brandyn. I’m not sure how well Pandora’s Box could be applied to online dating. The core program goes into depth about what to look for in determining where a woman is on the time, sex, and relationship lines, but many of the clues you would get only when talking to her in person. You may be able to draw some conclusions from a dating profile, but the problem is you don’t always know if she’s answering truthfully, or if she’s simply putting up what she thinks her type of man wants to hear. Even in the hour-long sales pitch from the 3 questions site, they make the point that what women say they like and what they respond to are two entirely different things. Honestly, Pandora’s Box is more geared towards face-to-face encounters where you can read her body language, so it’s probably only something you would use after you’ve set up the initial meet. But I’m not the best source for answers on the topic since I don’t do online dating. If you are a Pandora’s Box customer, you can send specific questions directly to Vin and his staff and they can help you with your particular situation.
Yes, criticism #5 was on my mind. I’m reluctant to trust any review of Vinny’s stuff. His marketing is a major turn-off, and I wouldn’t put it past him to saturate review sites with phony reviews.
I haven’t read Pandora’s Box, but here’s another criticism I’ve heard in one negative review: that the techniques he tells you to use on X-type of woman is a general PUA tactic to be used in general. In other words, he catalogues women into 8 arbitrary “types” then tells you that a type 3 woman likes it when a man takes the lead and makes decisions.
That sort of thing.
I’m just afraid this is what I like to call a “magic feather.” Like, you believe in it, so it gives you the confidence to move forward with all women, where before you would’ve ejected or stood there silently thinking of what to do.
Fair points. Although my review isn’t a plant, I wouldn’t be surprised if Vin DiCarlo did put some fakes out there. I agree he goes way overboard on marketing his stuff, which shouldn’t be necessary if he is confident in the effectiveness of his system. Part of the reason why this blog doesn’t have collages of sexy chicks or links out to any of Vin’s sites is because I wanted readers to trust that I wasn’t just another one of his “Vinions.”
About the types, I would say that they are incomplete in that they don’t describe all aspects of a woman’s personality, but I don’t feel they are arbitrary. I’ve found that they are pretty accurate descriptions within their own scope of traits, and the techniques Vin suggests for each type have proven successful in my experience. For instance, I would never have thought that a woman with a tattoo would respond so favorably to sexual innuendos until I actually tried it and witnessed how it worked. Likewise, I have seen how women I would have chased mercilessly have warmed up to me more when I gave them the cold shoulder.
Indeed, using the Pandora’s Box stuff, I have found it quite easy to get phone numbers and dates where it was difficult before. It may just be a “magic feather” like you say, but sometimes a placebo effect is just what’s needed to get a shy guy in the game.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Thanks very much for the follow-up!
Thanks for this honest review!
Sure. I hope you found it useful!